[quote author=“Acrylic”]
This is because: I hate it when people try to convert people to other religions. I say : “Let people believe what they want to believe in.”

I’ve never once tried to convert someone, nor would I ever try to.

Like, I said before, I’m Catholic, but I’m not one of those ****** Christians forcing you to their beliefs and getting mad for not agreeing with them.

Ok, granted there are some Christians that are weird about forcing people to believe what they believe.  I just don’t think they really understand.  But the whole thing about it, is not to so much barbarically convert people, and shove what we believe in their face, its just to share the gospel or “good news” with people, and help them understand what they don’t about it.  Its their choice to believe it or not.  As Hector said, its not because believers do it for themselves, they do it because they care about the person they are sharing it with.  They want them to be able to live a greater life than this one, when this life is over.

This is a pointless debate that has been going on for thousands of years.  The existence of god cannot be proven, and without any evidence of a supreme being beyond the beauty and complexity of the universe that leaves those of us who subscribe to scientific principles and common sense to scratch our heads and wonder what you sheep have been smoking.  😊

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities?his eternal power and divine nature?have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

[quote author=“SpiceLMF”]
You seem to have a different version as me that makes it seem more that it’s not two different instances..  It is widely taught that there are 2 contradicting stories of creation.

Widely taught?  First time I’m hearing of this!

Genesis 2
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.  2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [1] from all his work

The accounts in Genesis 2 refer to further details of the creation of man, even if man is mentioned already in Chapter 1.  C’mon.  =|[]  There’s a reason for the Sabbath.  Everything was done once.

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities?his eternal power and divine nature?have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

What do those words prove?  Nothing.  The Jews, Islams, Buddhists, etc have books full of words too.  In fact, I’ve started my own religion!  It’s based on elements of Rastafarianism and Polyamist Mormanism.  Here’s a sneak peak at some of my scriptures:

Ryanism 7:11
And the followers of Jah will wear purple capes, and drink over-proof rum.  And the women shall wear nothing!  Oh, and the only evidence of Jah’s existence shall be these words, as the Lord wants to test your faith.

Check back in a few thousand years, I’m going to be huge!  😊

The reasoning of the Scripture itself adds to one’s understanding and belief of it.  Harry Potter, that’s a book full of “just words”.

[quote author=“MSP”]This is a pointless debate that has been going on for thousands of years.  The existence of god cannot be proven, and without any evidence of a supreme being beyond the beauty and complexity of the universe that leaves those of us who subscribe to scientific principles and common sense to scratch our heads and wonder what you sheep have been smoking.  😊

Way to think things out.  You say that the existence of God cannot be scientifically proven, but can it be scientifically disproven?  There have been many people, independent thinkers and scholars, that have tried to prove that God doesn’t exist, and have never found solid evidence that there is no God.  In fact, a lot of people, including my girlfriend’s dad and C.S. Lewis, that have tried this, find more evidence that God does exist than evidence that He doesn’t.

-A sheep blindly following the herd, that smoke some dope sick tight weed.

There’s absolutely no scientific proof for the existence or non-existence of God.  This is how every debate on this subject is always going to end. So just end it.

Scientific proof? What about such proofs as the ontological proof?  :?  It’s a use of logic to prove the existence of God. (I was a Philosophy major as well, LOL 😛)

Scientific proof? What about such proofs as the ontological proof?  :?  It’s a use of logic to prove the existence of God. (I was a Philosophy major as well, LOL 😛)

I don’t buy it. No offense, I just need to see it to believe it.  Feel free to debate ontologically. I just don’t like it when people say that science can prove God’s existence because essentially faith and science are on completely different ends of the spectrum.

Im not here to debate on this subject, or make people believe in God. But I am here to defend my beliefs, and tell you why I believe what I believe. I respect that you believe what you believe, fine, now respect that I believe what I believe. Deal?

It’s called thinking beyond, to the circumstances given during the time of the written.  Take Jesus’ life and resurrection for example.  If they were a complete lie, there’s no way those manuscripts would have lasted so long.  The sheer outrage at a made-up story would prevent the movement from occuring. 

Scripture even has example of this.

Acts5

38Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.

In fact the movement is still occuring.  Here’s a thought: If Jesus was so important, and such a source of a great movement, but also a fraud, then where is His body? 

Surely, if you can excavate the body, you would debunk the entire Christian thing.  But no one has found it.  With that many witnesses, and with that many objections to Christianity, someone would have found it by now. 

Yeah, p’zown3d.  :|

Scientific proof? What about such proofs as the ontological proof?  :?  It’s a use of logic to prove the existence of God. (I was a Philosophy major as well, LOL 😛)

I don’t buy it. No offense, I just need to see it to believe it.  Feel free to debate ontologically. I just don’t like it when people say that science can prove God’s existence because essentially faith and science are on completely different ends of the spectrum.

No offense taken. The Ontological Proof wasn’t *my* idea 😛 However, things you *do* see and *don’t* see require believing 😊 Ya dun see da Great Wall Of China very often, but ya know it exists!!!

And in any event, I get the feeling that you’re thinking of “God” differently than the way I’m thinking of it. I’m getting the feeling that you’re thinking of a Judeo-Christian god or something—not entirely too sure. I think I will PM you the Ontological Proof or something

Im not here to debate on this subject, or make people believe in God.  But I am here to defend my beliefs, and tell you why I believe what I believe.  I respect that you believe what you believe, fine, now respect that I believe what I believe.  Deal?

Deal. I just wanted to make sure that people weren’t going to start saying, “well there’s physical evidence of the soul,” or “I’ve found an equation that specifially states that God doesn’t exist.” Feel free to debate to your heart’s content. I like hearing people’s opinions; it’s really the best way to learn in my opinion.

Oh, and praise Satan :evil:  jk 😉

Im not here to debate on this subject, or make people believe in God.  But I am here to defend my beliefs, and tell you why I believe what I believe.  I respect that you believe what you believe, fine, now respect that I believe what I believe.  Deal?

Deal. I just wanted to make sure that people weren’t going to start saying, “well there’s physical evidence of the soul,” or “I’ve found an equation that specifially states that God doesn’t exist.” Feel free to debate to your heart’s content. I like hearing people’s opinions; it’s really the best way to learn in my opinion.

Oh, and praise Satan :evil:  jk 😉

Agreed… except with the praise Satan part, haha.  Well, I guess I am here to debate (not argue, which is what I meant to put in my original statement), but yeah, I know what you are saying.

[quote author=“creejoh”][quote author=“MSP”]This is a pointless debate that has been going on for thousands of years.  The existence of god cannot be proven, and without any evidence of a supreme being beyond the beauty and complexity of the universe that leaves those of us who subscribe to scientific principles and common sense to scratch our heads and wonder what you sheep have been smoking.  😊

Way to think things out.  You say that the existence of God cannot be scientifically proven, but can it be scientifically disproven?  There have been many people, independent thinkers and scholars, that have tried to prove that God doesn’t exist, and have never found solid evidence that there is no God.  In fact, a lot of people, including my girlfriend’s dad and C.S. Lewis, that have tried this, find more evidence that God does exist than evidence that He doesn’t.

-A sheep blindly following the herd, that smoke some dope sick tight weed.

It goes without saying that the existence of god can’t be disproven either.  A guy could tell me that there’s a 200ft tall stuffed Elmo in the nucleus of the sun but I would have no way to disprove his words.  But does that make it true?  Believe what you will, as I stated before this “debate” is pointless (other than to provide me amusement).

But just answer this one question - isn’t it possible that the bible (and other religious books) was written by normal men and was not divinely inspired?  Not the reason why you believe it is the word of god, a simple “yes” or “no”.

Yes. Yes, this is possible. I like to stick with the theory that anything’s possible 😊

[quote author=“MSP”]
But just answer this one question - isn’t it possible that the bible (and other religious books) was written by normal men and was not divinely inspired?  Not the reason why you believe it is the word of god, a simple “yes” or “no”.

Possible but not likely.  Jesus’ accounts were written in the lifetime of those who were actually there.  To give false accounts, when thousands saw what happened, would leave you open to some serious danger.

Hey, that’s why it’s called Faith, and not fact.

[quote author=“HectorGearLive”][quote author=“MSP”]
But just answer this one question - isn’t it possible that the bible (and other religious books) was written by normal men and was not divinely inspired?  Not the reason why you believe it is the word of god, a simple “yes” or “no”.

Possible but not likely.  Jesus’ accounts were written in the lifetime of those who were actually there.  To give false accounts, when thousands saw what happened, would leave you open to some serious danger.

I think he was asking for a simple “yes” or “no” response to the possibility and not the likelihood 😉

Hey, that’s why it’s called Faith, and not fact.

But there’s also the possibility that God doesn’t exist :think:  And there’s da possibility that God *does* exist!! Oy vey…

Who knows?! 😛

Yeah.  Either way, I’ve given numerous biblical references that speak to likelihood or further understanding, and I feel they’re just being skipped over.

[quote author=“MSP”][quote author=“creejoh”][quote author=“MSP”]This is a pointless debate that has been going on for thousands of years.  The existence of god cannot be proven, and without any evidence of a supreme being beyond the beauty and complexity of the universe that leaves those of us who subscribe to scientific principles and common sense to scratch our heads and wonder what you sheep have been smoking.  😊

Way to think things out.  You say that the existence of God cannot be scientifically proven, but can it be scientifically disproven?  There have been many people, independent thinkers and scholars, that have tried to prove that God doesn’t exist, and have never found solid evidence that there is no God.  In fact, a lot of people, including my girlfriend’s dad and C.S. Lewis, that have tried this, find more evidence that God does exist than evidence that He doesn’t.

-A sheep blindly following the herd, that smoke some dope sick tight weed.

It goes without saying that the existence of god can’t be disproven either.  A guy could tell me that there’s a 200ft tall stuffed Elmo in the nucleus of the sun but I would have no way to disprove his words.  But does that make it true?  Believe what you will, as I stated before this “debate” is pointless (other than to provide me amusement).

But just answer this one question - isn’t it possible that the bible (and other religious books) was written by normal men and was not divinely inspired?  Not the reason why you believe it is the word of god, a simple “yes” or “no”.

You just asked me a question that parallels the age old question that little kids used to ask other little kids “Do your parents know you’re gay?”  The answer is more complex than a simple “yes” or “no”.  Yes, its possible, but its not likely.
[quote author=“HectorGearLive”]
No, the beauty of the Bible is its continuity despite barriers of time, person, language, and location.  No one knew as they wrote, that they had to “fit” the words to work with other books in a compilation.  And yet there is a harmony.

[quote author=“Andreux”]
But there’s also the possibility that God doesn’t exist :think:  And there’s da possibility that God *does* exist!! Oy vey…  Who knows?! 😛

Well, if he there’s a possibility that he does exist then I’d be in quite a hurry to find out as much as I could about what he wants of me.  😉

:( Sorry you feel this way. If I had any control over the board, no one would feel like they’re being skipped over!! 😛

And for the record, I have been regarding your Biblical references 😊 I would say more to them, but I *hardly* feel qualified enough to negate or validate your references, even though I’ve read through the Bible once *and* studied it over and over. It’s a massive work!!